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September 24, 2003

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*** Dave

Sounds interesting.

Of course, any Catholics offended by criticisms of Leo X, or the Church at the time, need only open their history books. It is possible, I think, to be a good Catholic and yet realize that some of its leadership have not always acted wisely, or Godfearingly.

The irony of Luther's actions "spread[ing] a new understanding of religious freedom throughout Europe," in the face of intolerance by Luther's own followers and other Reformers, certainly bears mention, though by causing a pluralism in religious thought (vs the relatively monolithic Church in Rome), it ultimately led to religious freedom and the Enlightenment, both seeing the wisdom of tolerating dissent and, ironically, drifting away from religion itself.

Rich

I think it would be fascinating to explore as an actor how Luther was and was not a product of his times. Luther was not always for religious freedom. For example, his behavior at the Colliquy of Marburg. There Luther and Melancthon met with Zwingli and Ecolampadius. They agreed on all doctrine (including such contentious issues as baptism and predestination) but they disagreed on real presence. Zwingli begged to the point of tears to be considered a brother. Luther dismissed him as "another spirit". This lack of agreement between the German and Swiss reformers was one of the great tragedies of Protestant history. Luther's attitude towards the Peasant's Revolt and both the Lutheran and Reformed camps behavior concerning Anabaptists would offend most modern people's sensibilities. There were many results of Luther's life that Luther himself would not have cared for. But, on balance, his influence on the world was positive.

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