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April 27, 2004

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Steve

That's an interesting excerpt from the 1871 Times, Rich.

It would be helpful to know how this compares with other Times editorial positions on 19th-century issues affecting women and families:

in 1838 ... women couldn't vote, but they also couldn't own property; they couldn't go to college. If there was a divorce, they couldn't get custody of their children. If they ran away, there were laws on the books that said, if you sheltered them, you went to jail, and more than that, this was very shocking. In sixteen states they stipulated the size of the instruments you could beat your wife or child with if you were mad because they didn't want these women and children being killed. Women were chattel, and they could not deny their husbands sexual access. So many of them were pregnant yearly. They died young. And it was a pretty tough condition for women in 1838, when Victoria was born. And it didn't improve much for a long time.

Not an area of expertise for me, but drawing meaningful conclusions is beyond me without a better understanding of the historical context.

Rich

Since the New York Times did not exist until 1851 some of the time period involved could not be commented upon. The political origins of the Times was Whig followed by Republican. As such, it has fairly strong abolitionist roots. The Women's Rights movement is closely linked to this movement. There was a good deal of reporting on the Women's Rights movement both in the U.S. and abroad in the Times. Nevertheless, the Times was a conservative paper. Thus, their view was we believe in women's rights, but. The following piece from December 16, 1852 is illustrative:

We believe in women's rights, and it is a part of our creed that they should have all that is their own. We would shame the stout, strong men from behind counters, where tape and needles and lace are sold ; out of School-rooms where young ideas could so much better be taught to shoot by females than by males ; out of every office and poition that belongs by the common consent to the ladies ; out the Medical offices even, if they are silly and self-denying enough, willingly to enther them ; but, — ah ! it sorely grieve our gallantry that we must plead the rights of woman with a but — but then we have our little rights too, which we would far rather surrender at discretion than under compulsion.
Rich

The rest of the article I quoted in my previous comment concerned giving up seats to women in lectures and streetcars on demand.

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